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Superman: For Tomorrow Vol. 1 |
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Ok, I swear on all things holy that Superman trades are absolutely the most difficult ones to place in a sane continuity. But after reading a couple tonight, I have another adjustment to offer.
The three relevant titles are “For Tomorrow,” “In the Name of Gog,” and “That Healing Touch” — which is the order they’re currently listed in. All three contain issues published between Dec 2004 and May 2005. All three tell distinct stories that can’t happen at the same time. Go figure.
But I think I have these three worked out now. “In the Name of Gog” definitely comes before “That Healing Touch” continuity wise, because the “The Story Thus Far” capsule summary at the beginning of Touch references the storyline from Name.
The part that throws it for a loop is For Tomorrow. Although Vol.1 covers material published before either of the trades listed above, the entire story seems to takes place (at least) a year forward of the other on-going series at the time. (Why? Who knows! Maybe just to screw with people like you and me…[grin].) Point is, it actually takes place the last of the three.
It’s too late for me to figure out a vague/non-spoilery way to explain why I’m sure, but I am. :)
P.S. Yes, you opened the floodgates when you invited me to contribute in this way. What can I say, its better than grading papers.
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So the solution is simply to move For Tomorrow right after That Healing Touch?
The question I’ve got is, would you put volume 1 before and then volume 2 after the other trades?
I need to split this into two entries, actually, anyway, since they’re got distinct amazon listings, etc. This was the way it was sorted in my excel document back when I was using it to organize my bookshelf, haha.
Let me know what you think, and I’ll correct the order.
It’s a flood of help. :)
On a separate note, what do you teach? I’m applying for PHD programs next year so I can get a degree to teach Visual Culture. Ideally.
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Yeah, that’s right, For Tomorrow goes right after That Healing Touch. I would keep the two volumes right next to each other too, because there aren’t any other Superman stories that could conceivably take place between the two halves. (Honestly I can’t figure out why DC split the story into two tiny volumes like that, unless they just really wanted to rush out a trade while the story was still ongoing.)
I teach comparative politics. I’m in my fourth year of the Ph.D. program at Ohio State, so I’m at the stage where I just teach and work on my dissertation. A degree in visual culture sounds pretty fantastic — got any places in mind you’re thinking of applying?
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Ok it’s placed – I have no idea why it’s in two volumes either. Well, except the obvious double price tag.
Visual Culture is a semi-new field, at least named as such, and the options for good programs are a little limited. This program at NYU looks really good, but I’m coming from a BFA background, so even with Summa Cum Laude and the top of major award, I’ve got a lot of catching up to do when it comes to writing skills. Anyway, it’s something I’m going to have to start focusing on again in a few months.
Speaking of not focusing on academics, have you read Superman: Infinite City? It’s an OGN that was released around that time, but I honestly have no idea what it’s about.
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So I checked out that NYU program. Looks great. I actually applied to a similar kind of interdisciplinary program at NYU (Law and Society) when I was doing the grad school application thing.
From my experience with that kind of thing, the absolute best way you can do is to write different statements of purpose for each school you apply to, and frame them with particular faculty in mind. The faculty members who sit on entrance committees don’t pay near as much attention to your background and test scores (so long as they’re relatively strong — which it sounds like yours are) as they do the statements. They’re looking to see whether your research interests would be a good addition to the department, and whether there’s someone to help you meet your goals.
I know my department has turned down people with 4.0 averages and high GRE’s simply because they felt they had too many judicialists, or IR constructivists one year. Likewise they’ve turned people down because they felt that there were no faculty members qualified to work in the research areas the student was interested in.
Point is, take some time to familiarize yourself with the work of the faculty members at the schools you apply to, write with them in mind, and it can really pay off in the long run.
Ok, end unsolicited, off-topic advice. [grin]
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that’s good advice – I actually started looking at NYU because I was very familiar with some books written by the faculty in that program.
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I haven’t read Infinite City. For some reason I thought that was an Elseworlds book (which I’m mostly skipping for now, except for those that get drawn into regular continuity) — but I see now that it’s not. Will have to see about scrounging that up.
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It very well might be one of those weird non-elseworlds non-specific about continuity titles that could take place in the regular dcu but is never really mentioned in any other book so who knows? I guess we’ll have to see when one of us actually reads it.
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