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Teen Titans / Outsiders: The Death and Return of Donna Troy |
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| Includes Issues: | Graduation Day 1-3, The Return of Donna Troy 1-4 | |
| Original Publication Dates: | August - October 2005 (and earlier) | |
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| Pages: | [More Info] |
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Sometimes a book is listed here based upon a past solicitation, but never actually comes out. I like to keep these in the database, but I try to make a note of the situation.
I try to list the earliest publication date. For books with a hardcover and softcover or multiple editions this will be for whichever came first. Same for the ISBN numbers.
If there have been similar releases that have significant differences, eventually both will be listed. This means that Showcase and Archives that collect similar material are listed as separate books. Likewise, Omnibus, Deluxe, or Absolute editions will have a separate page, though they will probably be close in the timeline.
If you think any of the information on this page is off, feel free to leave a comment with a suggestion! You may also leave links to relevant information, alternative publications, reviews, or anything you think would be helpful to site visitors.
| Lists: | Comics, DC Modern Age, DC Universe, Post-Crisis | |
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| Characters: | Outsiders, Teen Titans | |
| Edition: | [More Info] |
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The Series/Event taxonomy, like the rest, is not hierarchical. Not every book is part of a particular publication series, nor necessarily included in the reading order for an event. Events often include specific crossovers and tie-ins, but many event reading orders also include books purely because they are recommended for appreciation and understanding of that event.
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Since there is so much information to be found in each book, it's relatively common for a couple tags to be missed. If you think this book needs attention - should be given any additional tags or moved off a particular list, for example - just leave me a comment and I'll get right back to you!
The Lists are large reading orders including every book that falls under them. For example, the DC Universe list includes every book in that shared universe. This taxonomy is hierarchical, which means that there can be sub-lists under the main lists. The DC Universe Pre-Crisis list is an example, allowing you to narrow the selection of DC books. The distinction is important, because eventually there will be Silver Age book lists for Marvel and DC, and the lists will not be intermingled because of that hierarchy. Look to the list information in the sidebar to see all the lists currently active. Check the header of each listing for specific information about each one.
The Series/Event taxonomy, like the rest, is not hierarchical. Not every book is part of a particular publication series, nor necessarily included in the reading order for an event. Events often include specific crossovers and tie-ins, but many event reading orders also include books purely because they are recommended for appreciation and understanding of that event.
The Creators will be tagged in every book in the database. These include all the writers, artists, and editors that worked on the collected material, as well as anyone who significantly contributed to the collected edition.
The Characters are very important to this database, since most users enjoy seeing a reading list generated by their favorite heroes and villains. Since each book is tagged with any reoccurring character inside, the amount of orders that can be generated through these tags is staggering.
Since there is so much information to be found in each book, it's relatively common for a couple tags to be missed. If you think this book needs attention - should be given any additional tags or moved off a particular list, for example - just leave me a comment and I'll get right back to you!
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I am currently looking into getting them to give direction based on what page you came from, but it's possible that there is no solution to that issue.
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At this time, they go by the Recommended Reading Order (or equivalents for non-DCU lists) for determining which books to link.
I am currently looking into getting them to give direction based on what page you came from, but it's possible that there is no solution to that issue.
| Unique Reading Order ID: | 200906130000 | |
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| TRO Database Book ID: | 805 | [More Info] |
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The Chronological List Value is determined by the most recent publication date of collected contents. This value determines book placement on all lists generated chronologically.
The TRO Database Book ID is a value indicative of when this book was added. It is used primarily for reference within the TRO database and not for sorting. It used to help with interpage linking, but has been replaced with a more user friendly "slug" (web url title) system.
These values are provided for the purposes of sorting your own collections. You could keep an excel spreadsheet or google document with the titles of the books in your collection. In columns next to the books, place each of these numbers. Then when you display the list sorted numerically by either of these columns, your books will fall into order.
Of course, now that TRO's built in collection sorting feature is active, it's much easier to sort your books. But these numbers still display just in case you'd like to use them or are curious about the inner operation of the website.
Ok, picky point, but at least a little relevant *grin*
Like “The Insiders” This is actually a Teen Titans/Outsiders book
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true nuff.
There are actually a lot of books in the database with slightly off titling right now. Mainly a side effect of them being culled from my personal collection list. I wasn’t always so careful about that as I am now.
I should be correcting them while going down the list and adding covers and other info.
Side note – I’m done messing with the formatting and text on the [more info] links. Any thoughts?
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The More Info links look good to me.
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Also, please don’t read my notes about things like the title on this one as “I demand you fix this now.” *grin* I just comment on these things when I see them, as I figure it will be easier for them to get fixed at some point down the road that way.
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haha don’t worry, I don’t feel put upon. It’s usually easier for me to fix it right when I see your note than to wait until later. Sometimes I see your comments in my email but I wait until I’ve got a minute to fix something, and then I respond after I’ve gotten to it.
Either way, I’m super thankful that you’ve kept it up.
I think, in general, the comments about placement and event tagging are most useful, because unless there is a cover and it seems like the tags are fully populated, the book could kind of be considered as a placeholder – it means I haven’t yet gotten to it in cleaning up the info and tagging everything.
However, placements and crossovers/events – that I’ll ALWAYS need help with.
I just don’t want you to waste your time worrying about character tags, etc, for stuff I haven’t gotten to yet. That’s time you could spend reading! :D
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Just out of curiosity…you said you had an easy way to get the character tags…where are those coming from?
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I actually type them in, but I usually do it while checking the book at CBDB (I might feel a little bad if I didn’t link them on every book or if it wasn’t public knowledge farmed by their users.) I don’t do a database grab or even a copy paste, because I disagree with a LOT of their tagging, and a lot of how they tag the characters.
If I’ve read the book, I’m checking it against my memory, and when I’m doing book updates I also like to have the book in front of me if at all possible. A lot of times I’ll tag stuff they don’t or I’ll leave out a lot of their useless tags, like one appearance characters.
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Tomorrow’s new comic day. I better start the mantra now: “Only buy the two new books you need, don’t browse the shop for others just cause you’re there.”
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Every day is Ebay Saved Search day.
alright, I’m gonna go rest my eyes for a bit but I’ll probably be back in a little to move some more books in to the reading order.
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Haha. Ok, mantra failure. Despite my bet intentions to walk into the shop and only pick up the 2 books out today I wanted, I seem to be genetically incapable of leaving a comic shop without spending at least $100. lol
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hah, what did you get? I’m on forced hiatus until my next paycheck but I’ve still got a few coming in the mail:
Viking Glory: The Viking Prince, Jonah Hex: Two Gun Mojo, Batman: Chronicles Vol. 3-9, DC Comics Classics Library: Batman: The Annuals Vol. 1, Supergirl: Showcase Presents: Supergirl Vol. 1, Batman: Showcase Presents: Batman Vol. 2
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Yeah, I’ve got to do the same thing now (hiatus.)
The books I intended to get were Superman: New Krypton v.4 and Justice League: Cry for Justice. But I ended up picking up Batman: City of Crime, Wonder Woman: Land of the Dead and Bitter Rivals, and the first Fables Deluxe hardcover.
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You must really like your LCS! haha
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LCS?
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Oh, duh. local comic shop.
Yeah, I do. It’s a really great shop with friendly staff. I try to just buy day one releases there and buy my older titles online…but like I say, my impulse control in that kind of place needs some work. *grin*
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haha fair enough. It’s a good thing there aren’t really any good local shops here or I’d be in more trouble than I already am.
Then again, if there were I wouldn’t have gotten into this mess, probably – I’m much more likely to spend money when I’m not holding it in my hand.
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Hi Ian,
Looks like a lot of discussion above about this trade already. I was wondering, is it normal for this to not show up under the Donna Troy character tag? I haven’t read it, but interested in her story.
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